I was pondering on philosophy, religion, science and atheism…?
and after a while came to a conclusion that the existence of science and the inability to prove there is a God or a divine creator indeed disproves it.
I have no idea how I came to that conclusion. Anybody else out there agree with it?
Tags: atheism..., Philosophy, pondering, Religion, Science
August 18th, 2010 at 2:10 am
You can’t prove or disprove God by that conclusion. Try to find some logical answer, not one based on your previous thoughts and experience. Remember that there have been countless people before you that have tried.
August 18th, 2010 at 3:05 am
It is my understanding that science requires physical evidence. So far we have been able to split atoms that are not visual to the naked eye, we are capable of seeing more, and we will, just not yet. There should never be any definitive conclusions in science, that could be a sign of ignorance or arrogance.
August 18th, 2010 at 3:22 am
It doesn’t totally disprove it as anything could happen, but as there’s never ever been ANY evidence whatsoever for god’s existence, then it is fair to assume he doesn’t exist.
If I said that pixies lived under my bed and that they lived in other dimensions or that they were only there when I was alone with them, then no-one could disprove that. But no sane person would agree with me.
The parallel with god and the pixies is one and the same!
August 18th, 2010 at 3:27 am
That is a very basic start. Look into “god of the gaps” “invisible pink unicorn” and other ideas to round it out.
And ignosticism or theological noncognitivism
August 18th, 2010 at 4:08 am
If you find a bucket in the woods, how did it get there? Something had to have put it there as a bucket can’t just appear out of nowhere. Yeah we might’ve evolved, and sure there could’ve been a big bang. But someone had to have set off the big bang… If the Universe is empty mostly, and emptiness is the absence of matter, that single point of energy that exploded outwards to form our universe… what surrounded it before it went off? we can’t say nothing because we have “nothing” in out universe already. so what is nothing? i don’t know. think about that.
August 18th, 2010 at 4:09 am
It proves God extremely unlikely. So unlikely as to be virtually impossible. But you can’t prove that something doesn’t exist. I wish it could, then we could get rid of the nonsense corrupting politics.
For all intents and purposes though, everybody learned should already well know that the odds against God are so unlikely as to be completely disregarded as an option.
August 18th, 2010 at 4:15 am
Ponder no more. God lives in Surbiton.
August 18th, 2010 at 4:29 am
Of course God can’t be proved, it’s a subjective state, and science knows that, so they don’t bother with it. And why does God need to be proved? What is true for someone is true for them and they don’t need it validated by society. Truth is self-contained and validates itself. Science uses the scientific method to verify a theory, but when someone finds the Truth, it is not a theory and doesn’t need proof, because it’s Truth and is beyond a person’s preconceptions and social conditioning.
Atheism is a closed minded approach to Truth and gets you nowhere. It’s a belief and a conclusion without really any logical reason for it. If a you don’t know whether God exist, which is 99% of the world’s population, then, even you, an atheist, are agnostic, since that is the actual Truth of your ignorance. Living in igorance and knowing that you live in ignorance is a step closer to Truth than holding onto a belief and denying that you do. In reality you are more ignorant than those who know they are ignorant.
August 18th, 2010 at 4:31 am
I would say I am leaning more towards your perspective then the other (and I may get thumbs down from those that feel different then me on this). I have been in this “phase” for the past 2 years wondering and searching myself as to whether there is God. You could say, I am an agnostic because I am not saying there is no God, but I am not saying there is one either.
When you add science into the equation of religion, things can become murky. You have many different people from both sides that are going to emphasize certain “facts” to prove which side of the fence they are on. I did have faith growing up, but when I came into my own independence and autonomy of mind I was no longer comfortable with faith alone; instead used research and my own intelligence to guide me to my current perspective.
First, there is no answer to this question. The only answer that can be given is the one that you feel is the best and are most comfortable with. There are some individuals that hold on to the thought that this life is not it and that brings security. Their environment and culture also has a play in the things. It brings insecurity to some to feel that life is science based and all can be explained by science in itself. I am not saying that is the wrong answer, but for some that is not the answer they hold more security in.
Is there a God? I tend to lean more towards science, but then there is small part of me that says “what if there is?”. In the end I do believe if there is a God he is not going to banish me for using my intelligence to question things. After all he gave us the intelligence and free will to put forth into action- by using it to the fullest I should not be out-casted by exercising it. If there is no God that does not mean my life on Earth is but a mere 70-100 years of existence with no consequences. I still find purpose in my life. My actions do not result in no consequence because of the nonexistence of a higher power. It does not give me the free will to do as I wish with no conscience of the result my actions bring. I am after all human and do have a conscience, which does guide me to do the best I can each day.
If you feel comfortable with believing there is not a higher power and feel you have researched enough to feel comfortable with stopping at this phase and that is the final answer then that is all that matters. I am not going to be close-minded to the possibility that someday, something with come up to disprove me otherwise– but on the same token, I am not going to put all my tokens in one bag and use faith just as my guide for the mere purpose of security.
August 18th, 2010 at 4:43 am
I’ve always looked at it from a Bayesian probability standpoint. As I observe more an more evidence that “this” religion or “that” religion is false (and there have been a lot of religions that come and go), it bolsters my belief that there is no God (at least as far as the pop conception goes).
I pretty much don’t worry about it at this point and spend my time pursuing more important questions about life …
August 18th, 2010 at 4:54 am
The most basic tenet of science is that the universe operates naturally, governed by physical processes which are available for study.
Thus denying the necessity of magic and invisible unknowable creatures in the operation of the world, science neither seeks to disprove nor prove miracles.
August 18th, 2010 at 5:49 am
That’s interesting; your same logic disproves life.
We can observe the difference between a “living” creature and an apparently dead one. However, there is no quantifiable, testable, difference between a creature whose biologic processes are working and one whose functions are not. Even though it is plainly different to anyone who has eyes to see, purely natural science can neither prove nor disprove “life”. Therefore, by the logic of your statement, “life” does not exist.
And in all actuality, the existence of “science” is a very strong proof of God. If there is an effect, there must have been a cause. Those that postulate that everything exploded from nothing billions of years ago have a blind faith that indeed, all those uncountable stars in the universe, made up of so ridiculous an amount of matter as to be impossible, came from a nothingness without a cause.
If I look at a shiny new car in a parking lot, I do not stand there in awe imagining the wonders of the billions of years that it took for that vehicle, which was once a rock swimming around in the sea, which became a submarine, then an amphibious tractor, then developed wheels as a truck, and finally became a hot sports car. And neither should you.
If I see another person standing nearby, and I consider them to have been created in the image of God, who breathed their very life into them, who loves them so much that He sacrificed His own incarnate life for them; then I am much more likely to treat that person well.
On the other hand, if they are the product of random chance, and a process of mindless evolution; then why should I care one way or the other about them beyond how they might help me, or why should they have any thought or concern for me beyond whatever gratification they could achieve through interacting with me?
Science cannot prove any theory of Origins; though science is sure that there had to be one, as the Steady State Theory died nearly a hundred years ago. Choose one for yourself.
“In the beginning nothing exploded and became the heavens and the earth.”
-or-
“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
But consider well the consequences of your choice.
August 18th, 2010 at 6:13 am
I could see why you would think so, i’ve struggled with this myself but science once proved that the earth was flat and is contantly evolving and questioning itself, there are always questions
August 18th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Science deals with natural phenomenons. God being a supernatural concept is out of science’s scope of work. So science cannot prove or disprove God’s existence. However, science can prove (and has proved) lots of religions’ telltales and myths to be wrong.
Psychology brought me to a conclusion that fear and hope were the reasons for creation (and acceptance) of concepts of God, soul, and afterlife. Anthropology showed me that religions were culturally made and altered by leaders to achieve certain goals in society (read: control mass). And, Theology showed vast inconsistencies among the thousands of religions ever existed, proving that religions were all man made created out of misunderstanding.
So, to me, science only weakens some religions’ concepts. It is Psychology, Anthropology, and Theology that convinced me strongly that there is no Gods. Humans created Gods for consolation. To lots, it works but it is still a lie.
August 18th, 2010 at 6:43 am
You came to that conclusion by your own choosing,
not through valid logic.
The inability to prove something is not a proof of the
contrary.
If the Idea of a God exists in the minds of believers,
and that Idea has real consequences in the real world,
who’s to say that nothing exists there?
It comes down to your own personal choice whether
to be a vehicle for that Idea or not.
The consequences, (history will tell you), have been
both noble and tragic. …. Choose.
August 18th, 2010 at 7:34 am
No. Inability to provide proof has nothing to do with disproof. In fact, with respect to science one of the basic principles of scientific theory is that a theory is never proven true, but it can be proven false. It is not proven false until it is proven false. It is still considered possibly true until then.
A religious theory is another animal. They are not proven one way or the other. But if you are thinking like a scientist over the existence of God, until it is proven false it is possibly true.
August 18th, 2010 at 7:59 am
Um, disproves gods, or science?
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