Question by Gymnopedie No.1: A proof for God’s existence?
I am hearing time and time again about the lack of evidence for God and how there is no proof for God’s existence. Here is the proof. If you don’t understand it, I will try to expound upon it as best I can. This is a legitimate argument that modern philosophers take very seriously. It comes from Thomas Aquinas.

There are a few problems with trying to do this online (where there are people with diverse backgrounds, philosophical systems, and scientific beliefs): 1) it requires a good understanding of Aristotelian terms and metaphysics, but I’ll try to do my best to explain each step without going into too much detail. If you would like me to further explain anything, I will come back and modify it. 2) It requires a belief and confidence in logic and its implications. Someone may say that one cannot universally apply logic to the exterior world. My only response to such a statement could be the following: What makes you hold that belief? And why are you asking for a proof of god if you deny the use of logic? After that little preamble, I will try to begin.

All things that exist have essences (that which makes them what they are). If a thing derives its existence from something other than its essence, then it is contingent. In other words, if a thing’s essence does not include existence, than it is necessarily caused by something else. This causer’s (the other that brought the contingent thing into existence) essence either contains its existence or it itself is contingent. In which case it itself must have been brought into existence by something else. Now this causal series of contingent beings must stop at some being who is not contingent. If it did not stop at some non-contingent or necessary being, then there would exist a long chain of beings who all are contingent, but the chain itself is not. But the chain itself is just a collection of contingent beings, nothing more. Therefore there must be some necessary being which has brought this chain into existence. Okay, so we have established the existence of at least one necessary being (whose essence includes existence), who by definition cannot not exist.

But why can’t there be many things, like electron or energy or quarks, that are necessary beings. Let’s see if there has to be only one….

Let’s say there are many necessary beings. This is the tricky part. How could we distinguish them from one another? In other words, how are they actually distinct? They would have to differ in that their essences all have different essential traits that are required in order for them to exist. If this is the case, then those traits by which they differ will either be included in that trait which makes them a necessary being, or will be some essential trait that is distinct from that trait which makes them a necessary being. It cannot be the trait that makes them a necessary being, because they, from what we included before, all share this trait. So the cannot differ by it. Thus they must differ through some essential trait that is other than that which makes them a necessary being.
But this is impossible. For in order for a thing to exist all its essential attributes must exist too (otherwise they would not be part of its essence). But if the trait that makes it necessarily exist depends on some other trait in order for it to exist, it would then not necessarily make it exist. This is absurd. Therefore all the essences of necessary beings must be exactly alike, and differ in no way.
The only other possible way that any necessary beings could differ is if they differed “accidentally” (through traits that are not essential, but came from the outside). This would mean that the necessary being was once one thing, then brought something else into existence, which in turn acted upon the necessary being, turning it into two beings instead of one. This is strange to say the least, and ultimately impossible. If you would like me to go into that, I can as well.

Thus we have shown there to be one necessary being, through which all other being inherit their existence. You can go on and show how this being is immaterial, intelligent, all-knowing, etc. through other proofs which I can go into if you would like. Please let me know…
@sparkyd: I’m not sure why you think it is fallacious. Everything that exists has some determinate manner of existing. That which determines its manner of existing is its essence.

@Mr. Awesome: I’m not sure what you mean by proving “items.” Certainly this idea of a necessary being is an intellectual item, but if in the argument we prove that this notion must actually exist in the extramental world, it seems that it no longer is merely an item, but a reality.
Paul B: Certainly its not a proof like 2+2=4, but I think if I could explain my terms more thoroughly I would show you that it is more than just a cute little argument. I’m not trying to pull the hood over anyone here.
@JoelKatz: If I have shown that there has to be a necessary being (whose essence is its existence) than clearly it is a being and it’s eternal. If it potentially could go out of existence, then it would not actually be necessary.
@vivaespana: Source was above. Thomas Aquinas ‘ work “On Being and Essence”
@Astoroth: I’m not talking about causal effects or events, I’m talking about the very being of things. I’m not saying that everything must have been caused. I’m just saying that if the very being of a thing is contingent (cannot explain its own existence) then it obviously relies on something other than it to exist. Now you could assume that there are many things that have no need of a cause, but I talked about how that is impossible in the second half of the proof. There can only be one necessary uncaused being
@yahooanswersobsessed: I think you are right about how most atheists are against the idea of a specific god, not a higher power in general. But if that’s true, they should qualify their statements.
@Jack: But you misunderstood the argument. It was shown that there must be one being who is necessary, which is by definition uncaused. So your objection does not work.
never once in my argument did I say that everything must have a cause.
@All Answerers: Thank you. I appreciate your comments and insights.

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Question by Gator: Do you agree that existence of God cannot be proven scientifically?
Religion does not base its faith on logic. You can find many holes in religious philosophy text if look at it, from a logical perspective.
Most modern sciences, have their origin from Philosophy. During Medivel ages, Philosophy was the original study of trying to prove God exist(in Christianity). and almost all of these omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence… God arguments were later debunked by modern Philosophers as fallacies: circular arguments, appeal to authority, appeal to tradition, appeal to belief, red herring…

Do you agree that existance of God cannot be proven in a logical sense?
Most people agree.

People who disagree: have two opinions –

1. it can be proven scientifically – my question is how?

2. Science is not advanced enough to prove the existance of God – It’s true that science itself does not know everything, but i believe that critical thinking has advanced enough to overcome this objection.

3. The existance of God should not be proven scientifically is a good argument.
El Chistoso – funny
Diane, Gospel is a religious text – not scientific.
What i mean by “science” is a standard definition of science.

“Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research”

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Answer by Life Is Good
I believe that no amount of proof will ever be enough for those who choose not to believe.

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Question by lilcutie: how might feminist philosophy of religion approach the question of the nature and existence of God?
Would it be any different to a male dominated responce?

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Answer by Just a Nobody
Explain the feminist philosophy of religion. Also which religion? Religion is a vast plethora of beliefs. No one will defend them all. I don’t agree with ALL religion.

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Question by busty_brunette: How might a feminist philosophy of religion approach the question of the nature and existence of God?
Would it be different from a male’s approach

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Answer by iansamadhi
Actually it already exists. In Egyptian (Nut) and Pantheistic (Gaia) religions.
The typical male based religion will use a creator God metaphor, who makes things, and sets up the universe as a system of government. with God as king.
The typical female based religion views the world as an organic entity, a living whole, coming out of the womb of nothingness; alive now, as opposed to a machine, set in motion by a manufacturing creator, at sometime in the past.

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Question by : Why do some modern philosophers try to disprove or prove the existence of God?
when the great german philosopher, immanuel kant, said that the knowledge of a God is a priori (without experience) and thus impossible to know?

It seems like a waste of time.

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Answer by JAQ
Because Kant may have been mistaken. Just like he believed that Hume was mistaken. Who believed that Descartes was mistaken. Who believed that philosophers before him were mistaken.

Challenging previously-held beliefs is the essence of the human intellect’s search to learn things that were previously unknown. What seems like an impossible waste of time to one person may turn out to be just the perfect puzzle for someone else to solve.

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