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Why arent the greek gods worshipped as much as the christian god?

Saturday, January 28th, 2012

Question by Socialist Defender: Why arent the greek gods worshipped as much as the christian god?
Is it not amusing that modern society reveres all the ancient greek philosophers, scientists and thinkers yet we worship a god from a society that could barely make fire…?
Im sorry, but these are all really stupid answers…
I think some of you are missing the point… at least a few of you get it…

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Answer by The Replacers
They went out of style.

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A proof for God’s existence?

Friday, December 16th, 2011

Question by Gymnopedie No.1: A proof for God’s existence?
I am hearing time and time again about the lack of evidence for God and how there is no proof for God’s existence. Here is the proof. If you don’t understand it, I will try to expound upon it as best I can. This is a legitimate argument that modern philosophers take very seriously. It comes from Thomas Aquinas.

There are a few problems with trying to do this online (where there are people with diverse backgrounds, philosophical systems, and scientific beliefs): 1) it requires a good understanding of Aristotelian terms and metaphysics, but I’ll try to do my best to explain each step without going into too much detail. If you would like me to further explain anything, I will come back and modify it. 2) It requires a belief and confidence in logic and its implications. Someone may say that one cannot universally apply logic to the exterior world. My only response to such a statement could be the following: What makes you hold that belief? And why are you asking for a proof of god if you deny the use of logic? After that little preamble, I will try to begin.

All things that exist have essences (that which makes them what they are). If a thing derives its existence from something other than its essence, then it is contingent. In other words, if a thing’s essence does not include existence, than it is necessarily caused by something else. This causer’s (the other that brought the contingent thing into existence) essence either contains its existence or it itself is contingent. In which case it itself must have been brought into existence by something else. Now this causal series of contingent beings must stop at some being who is not contingent. If it did not stop at some non-contingent or necessary being, then there would exist a long chain of beings who all are contingent, but the chain itself is not. But the chain itself is just a collection of contingent beings, nothing more. Therefore there must be some necessary being which has brought this chain into existence. Okay, so we have established the existence of at least one necessary being (whose essence includes existence), who by definition cannot not exist.

But why can’t there be many things, like electron or energy or quarks, that are necessary beings. Let’s see if there has to be only one….

Let’s say there are many necessary beings. This is the tricky part. How could we distinguish them from one another? In other words, how are they actually distinct? They would have to differ in that their essences all have different essential traits that are required in order for them to exist. If this is the case, then those traits by which they differ will either be included in that trait which makes them a necessary being, or will be some essential trait that is distinct from that trait which makes them a necessary being. It cannot be the trait that makes them a necessary being, because they, from what we included before, all share this trait. So the cannot differ by it. Thus they must differ through some essential trait that is other than that which makes them a necessary being.
But this is impossible. For in order for a thing to exist all its essential attributes must exist too (otherwise they would not be part of its essence). But if the trait that makes it necessarily exist depends on some other trait in order for it to exist, it would then not necessarily make it exist. This is absurd. Therefore all the essences of necessary beings must be exactly alike, and differ in no way.
The only other possible way that any necessary beings could differ is if they differed “accidentally” (through traits that are not essential, but came from the outside). This would mean that the necessary being was once one thing, then brought something else into existence, which in turn acted upon the necessary being, turning it into two beings instead of one. This is strange to say the least, and ultimately impossible. If you would like me to go into that, I can as well.

Thus we have shown there to be one necessary being, through which all other being inherit their existence. You can go on and show how this being is immaterial, intelligent, all-knowing, etc. through other proofs which I can go into if you would like. Please let me know…
@sparkyd: I’m not sure why you think it is fallacious. Everything that exists has some determinate manner of existing. That which determines its manner of existing is its essence.

@Mr. Awesome: I’m not sure what you mean by proving “items.” Certainly this idea of a necessary being is an intellectual item, but if in the argument we prove that this notion must actually exist in the extramental world, it seems that it no longer is merely an item, but a reality.
Paul B: Certainly its not a proof like 2+2=4, but I think if I could explain my terms more thoroughly I would show you that it is more than just a cute little argument. I’m not trying to pull the hood over anyone here.
@JoelKatz: If I have shown that there has to be a necessary being (whose essence is its existence) than clearly it is a being and it’s eternal. If it potentially could go out of existence, then it would not actually be necessary.
@vivaespana: Source was above. Thomas Aquinas ‘ work “On Being and Essence”
@Astoroth: I’m not talking about causal effects or events, I’m talking about the very being of things. I’m not saying that everything must have been caused. I’m just saying that if the very being of a thing is contingent (cannot explain its own existence) then it obviously relies on something other than it to exist. Now you could assume that there are many things that have no need of a cause, but I talked about how that is impossible in the second half of the proof. There can only be one necessary uncaused being
@yahooanswersobsessed: I think you are right about how most atheists are against the idea of a specific god, not a higher power in general. But if that’s true, they should qualify their statements.
@Jack: But you misunderstood the argument. It was shown that there must be one being who is necessary, which is by definition uncaused. So your objection does not work.
never once in my argument did I say that everything must have a cause.
@All Answerers: Thank you. I appreciate your comments and insights.

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Reviews of Hannam’s book: God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science?

Wednesday, July 6th, 2011

Question by Aonghas Shrugged: Reviews of Hannam’s book: God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science?
Something tells me that even without having read it, many of you will be “so knowledgeable” of Hannam’s book. (Ignorance of a topic on R&S has never been an obstacle to many responses.)

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yes

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Hellenic [Greek] Religion and Gods

Wednesday, March 2nd, 2011


Christian Persecutions against the Hellenes www.ysee.gr Thefirst modern Hellenic Temple! In Thessaloniki, Makedonia!: prometheia.wordpress.com What’s Hellenismos? www.scribd.com Hellenism: What we Believe. What we stand For: www.rassias.gr NOTES ON FEAR AND FEARLESSNESS: www.rassias.gr ______ About the Term “Pagan”: In our days it is used to call a non-monotheistic religion as pagan or neo-pagan, but this word in reality is an insult for the native/ethnic polytheistic pre-Christian religions. We prefer not to use this term which was applied from the Christian church in order to insult our ancestors and their religion and way of life. The term ‘Pagan’, which in the original Latin is derived from Paganus (peasant), is yet another insult used by the victorious Christians since the 4th Century, to belittle what remained of the Native Religions. They used this to label all those remaining loyal to their Ethnic Traditions, to imply that they were uneducated and uncouth villagers. The term was used for centuries in most European languages to refer to the Ethnikoi. In the 20th Century, it was reintroduced with the suffix neo (viz. Neopaganism), by various Christian-inspired devotees of Esotericism and the New Age. ‘Neopaganism’ doesn’t concern us. It may even be a manufactured ploy to detract from the current world rule of the so-called ‘Monotheists’. “Pagan” as a pejorative term was used in the past by institutions attempting to destroy other cultures and native/ethnic religions

The Nature and Being of the Greek Gods [Hellenismos] [HQ]

Saturday, February 12th, 2011


(Source: Scroll Of Oplontis, 1991) ______ From the New Testament of the Holy Metropolis of Germany: “Hellenes (…), so are called the Ethnikoi, the Idolaters.” (Page 530) “We (Greek Polytheists) are not Idolatry. The statue is a springboard to greater things. ” Doretta Peppa ______ Hellenism: What we Believe. What we stand For: www.rassias.gr NOTES ON FEAR AND FEARLESSNESS: www.rassias.gr (From the Greek Polytheist and Author Vlassis Rassias) ______ About the Term “Pagan”: In our days it is used to call a non-monotheistic religion as pagan or neo-pagan, but this word in reality is an insult for the native/ethnic polytheistic pre-Christian religions. We prefer not to use this term which was applied from the Christian church in order to insult our ancestors and their religion and way of life. The term ‘Pagan’, which in the original Latin is derived from Paganus (peasant), is yet another insult used by the victorious Christians since the 4th Century, to belittle what remained of the Native Religions. They used this to label all those remaining loyal to their Ethnic Traditions, to imply that they were uneducated and uncouth villagers. The term was used for centuries in most European languages to refer to the Ethnikoi. In the 20th Century, it was reintroduced with the suffix neo (viz. Neopaganism), by various Christian-inspired devotees of Esotericism and the New Age. ‘Neopaganism’ doesn’t concern us. It may even be a manufactured ploy to detract from the current world rule

Greek Philosophers about the Gods and Love

Friday, March 5th, 2010

A Visit to the Land of the Gods: Searching for the Modern Philosopher’s Stone, Tracing Jesus’ Lost Years in the East, and Exploring the Common Roots of the Jews and the Japanese

Saturday, February 13th, 2010

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On a recent trip to Japan, the author visited Jesus’ and Moses’ legendary tombs and met a series of remarkable personages, including an invincible Aikido master, a modern sennin (forest sage) who offered him the tea of long life, and an extraordinary housewife who is the manifestatioin of the Supreme Buddha. The second half of the book describes attending Michio Kushi’s Spiritual Development Training Seminar at the Kushi Institute, which was devoted to many paralle… More >>

A Visit to the Land of the Gods: Searching for the Modern Philosopher’s Stone, Tracing Jesus’ Lost Years in the East, and Exploring the Common Roots of the Jews and the Japanese